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N\u00fa \u00feegar st\u00f3r hluti lista er sj\u00e1lfkrafa skilgreindur sem fram\u00farstefnulegur er \u00fe\u00e1 ekki h\u00e6tta \u00e1 st\u00f6\u00f0nun? \u00c9g er me\u00f0 rafhlj\u00f3\u00f0 og sprengingar og frj\u00e1lslegar n\u00f3tur og fiskab\u00far \u00e1 myndvarpa me\u00f0 litum, sem var frams\u00e6ki\u00f0 1965, getur sl\u00edkt endalaust veri\u00f0 frams\u00e6ki\u00f0?<\/p>\n<p>Hugtaki\u00f0 kom fr\u00e1 Dav\u00ed\u00f0 \u00feegar hann gagnr\u00fdndi fagott-t\u00f3nleikana fyrir a\u00f0 vera fyrirfram\u00e1genga. M\u00edn sko\u00f0un er s\u00fa a\u00f0 konsepti\u00f0 sj\u00e1lft er kannski fyrirfram\u00e1gengt en s\u00e9u ger\u00f0 fullt af \u00f6\u00f0rum verkum fyrir 10 fagott gildir ekkert anna\u00f0 um \u00fea\u00f0 heldur en a\u00f0ra t\u00f3nlist og b\u00fai\u00f0 er a\u00f0 b\u00faa til vettvang fyrir t\u00f3nlist sem annars hef\u00f0i ekki geta\u00f0 or\u00f0i\u00f0 til, en til \u00feess a\u00f0 \u00fea\u00f0 gerist \u00fearf a\u00f0 gera fullt af 10 fagottaverkum.<\/p>\n<p>Svo er auglj\u00f3slega fyrirfram\u00e1gengt a\u00f0 nota t\u00f3nsm\u00ed\u00f0aa\u00f0fer\u00f0 e\u00f0a misbeitingu hlj\u00f3\u00f0f\u00e6ra sem hefur or\u00f0i\u00f0 merkimi\u00f0i frams\u00e6kinnar t\u00f3nlistar.<\/p>\n<p>\u00de\u00e1 er annar vinkill \u00e1 fyrirfram\u00e1gengni. \u00c1 mi\u00f0ri 20.\u00f6ld var miki\u00f0 um n\u00fdjungar og tilraunir. \u00de\u00e1 voru \u00ed t\u00f3nlist gaurar eins og t.d. Stockhausen og Cage sem hafa or\u00f0i\u00f0 andlit fram\u00farstefnu- og tilraunat\u00f3nlistar \u00ed v\u00ed\u00f0u samhengi. \u00deessir tveir voru um t\u00edma eins og uppfinningamenn sem reyndu a\u00f0 gera eitthva\u00f0 alveg n\u00fdtt fyrir heiminn \u00ed hverju einasta verki. Er best a\u00f0 hugsa \u00feannig, e\u00f0a er \u00feetta or\u00f0i\u00f0 a\u00f0 st\u00f6\u00f0nun \u00ed sj\u00e1lfu s\u00e9r? Ef \u00fea\u00f0 er alltaf veri\u00f0 a\u00f0 skilgreina hluti \u00fat fr\u00e1 akk\u00farat einu konsepti e\u00f0a a\u00f0fer\u00f0, n\u00e6r \u00feetta \u00fe\u00e1 einhverri d\u00fdpt og ver\u00f0a verkin ekki bara leikur a\u00f0 undantekningum, undantekningum fr\u00e1 \u00fev\u00ed sem var \u00e1\u00f0ur? 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Gagnr\u00fdnin \u00e1 fagott\u00f3nleikana er ekki s\u00fa a\u00f0 m\u00f6guleikinn s\u00e9 ekki fyrir hendi, heldur s\u00fa a\u00f0 \u00fea\u00f0 s\u00e9 raunveruleg h\u00e6tta \u00e1 a\u00f0 t\u00f3nsk\u00e1ld ver\u00f0i l\u00f6t \u00fear sem \u00feau telji a\u00f0 \u00feau s\u00e9u \u00fe\u00e1 \u00feegar \u00e1geng \u00feegar \u00feau skrifa fyrir \u00f3hef\u00f0bundna samsetningu. \u00cd raun er \u00feetta bara annar fl\u00f6tur \u00e1 \u00fev\u00ed sem er or\u00f0i\u00f0 hef\u00f0bundi\u00f0 t\u00f3nm\u00e1l n\u00fat\u00edmat\u00f3nlistar. Ni\u00f0urrif hlj\u00f3\u00f0f\u00e6ra, \u00fea\u00f0 sem er skr\u00edti\u00f0, reaktionismi (\u00ed skilgreiningunni a\u00f0 fara aftur til baka til a\u00f0 vera \u00e1 m\u00f3ti) eru allt hli\u00f0ar \u00e1 sama teningnum. Eitt og s\u00e9r \u00fe\u00e1 er \u00feetta einfaldlega t\u00f3nm\u00e1l dagsins \u00ed dag alveg eins og f\u00fankt\u00edonal hlj\u00f3mfr\u00e6\u00f0i var einu sinn, kr\u00f3mat\u00edsk hlj\u00f3mfr\u00e6\u00f0i \u00ed annan t\u00edma.<\/p>\n<p>\u00dea\u00f0 sem \u00e9g er a\u00f0 segja er a\u00f0 \u00fea\u00f0 a\u00f0 eitthva\u00f0 s\u00e9 skr\u00edti\u00f0 e\u00f0a n\u00fdtt er or\u00f0in alveg jafn mikil klisja og \u00f6nnur yfirbor\u00f0 sem eru \u00ed gangi &#8211;\u00deetta uppfyllir skilyr\u00f0in sem voru upphaflega sett fram til a\u00f0 skilgreina hina p\u00f3stm\u00f3dern\u00edsku condition (sem sagt ekki p\u00f3stm\u00f3dernisma sem fagurfr\u00e6\u00f0i). Samkv\u00e6mt \u00feeirri hugmynd \u00fe\u00e1 mun f\u00e9lagsmenningarv\u00e9lin sverfa tennurnar \u00far \u00f6llu \u00feanga\u00f0 til a\u00f0 \u00fea\u00f0 a\u00f0 eitthva\u00f0 s\u00e9 n\u00fdtt s\u00e9 ekki lengur raunh\u00e6ft hugtak \u00fear sem \u00fea\u00f0 a\u00f0 vera n\u00fdtt s\u00e9 bara or\u00f0inn hluti af tungum\u00e1li menningarheimsins. &#8212; \u00e9g finn n\u00e1kv\u00e6mlega s\u00f6mu tilfinninguna \u00feegar \u00e9g heyri enn eitt lacehman rippoffi\u00f0 og \u00feegar \u00e9g heyri eitthva\u00f0 sem er skr\u00edti\u00f0 (svo lengi sem \u00fea\u00f0 gerist innan t\u00f3nleikastofnunarinnar). Eitthva\u00f0 meira \u00fearf a\u00f0 vera til sta\u00f0ar. Eitthva\u00f0 sem gr\u00edpur athyglina e\u00f0a veitir m\u00e9r n\u00fdja s\u00edn \u00e1 efnivi\u00f0inn, hvort sem \u00fea\u00f0 eru surg e\u00f0a eitthva\u00f0 skr\u00edti\u00f0.<\/p>\n<p>Skr\u00edti\u00f0 og \u00e1gengt er alveg jafn pastoral og t\u00f3lft\u00f3nar voru eftir fyrstu fimm verkin.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/s-l-a-t-u-r.2169095.n2.nabble.com\/template\/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=user_nodes&amp;user=27160\">pallivan<\/a><\/div>\n<div><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Selected post\" src=\"http:\/\/s-l-a-t-u-r.2169095.n2.nabble.com\/images\/arrow.png\" alt=\"Selected post\" width=\"15\" height=\"15\" \/> Mar 09, 2009; 10:42am<script type=\"text\/javascript\">\/\/ <![CDATA[\n\t\tNabble.get('d1236595342056-224').innerHTML= Nabble.formatDateLong(new Date(1236595342056));\n\/\/ ]]><\/script><\/p>\n<h2>Re: Sj\u00e1lfkrafa fyrirfram \u00e1gengni<\/h2>\n<\/div>\n<div><a rel=\"nofollow\" 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It\u00b4s been done. \u00a0Allt er eins. \u00a0Allt er lei\u00f0inlegt. \u00deetta er bara ekki \u00e1hugaver\u00f0 n\u00e1lgun \u00e1 vi\u00f0fangsefni\u00f0 a\u00f0 m\u00ednu mati. \u00cd samhengi ver\u00f0ur allt lei\u00f0inlegt. \u00a0Mannskepnan er fyrirsj\u00e1naleg. \u00a0Fyrirfram\u00e1gengni er eing\u00f6ngu til \u00ed samhengi. \u00a0&#8220;H\u00e6tta \u00e1 a\u00f0 t\u00f3nsk\u00e1ld ver\u00f0i l\u00f6t&#8221; nja er \u00fea\u00f0 h\u00e6tta? \u00a0Er \u00fea\u00f0 ekki bara pers\u00f3nulegur \u00f3sigur frekar en h\u00e6tta? 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\u00e6t\u00ed\u00f0 s\u00fa sama. Spurningin er r\u00f6ng og svari\u00f0 eftir \u00fev\u00ed. \u00deetta \u201e\u00fea\u00f0 er b\u00fai\u00f0 a\u00f0 gera allt\u201c vi\u00f0horf finnst m\u00e9r svo vont a\u00f0 svo m\u00f6rgu leyti. \u00dea\u00f0 sem er or\u00f0i\u00f0 tannlaust er tj\u00e1ningar og sk\u00f6punargeta einstaklinga. Einstaklingur getur ekki lengur skapa\u00f0 \u00fev\u00ed hann hefur tapa\u00f0 tilfinningunni fyrir \u00fev\u00ed a\u00f0 hann geti haft \u00e1hrif \u00e1 umhverfi sitt. \u00deetta er \u00fatkoma fj\u00f6ldaframlei\u00f0slu og sta\u00f0lav\u00e6\u00f0ingarinnar sem henni fylgir. \u00deetta p\u00f3m\u00f3 d\u00e6mi er svona singularity p\u00e6ling um einhvern svakalegan endanleika alls.<\/p>\n<p>Of miki\u00f0 samhengi, e\u00f0a samhengi\u00f0 er vitlaust, \u00fe.e. \u00fea\u00f0 er margt sameiginlegt me\u00f0 forn-gr\u00edskri og forn-k\u00ednverskri t\u00f3nlist og sennilega eitthva\u00f0 anna\u00f0 me\u00f0 forn-egypskri. En \u00fea\u00f0 er ekki \u00e1hugavert hvernig \u00feetta er allt \u00fea\u00f0 sama, heldur hin \u00f3\u00fatsk\u00fdranlegu sm\u00e1atri\u00f0i sem gera t\u00f3nlistina s\u00e9rstaka og \u00fev\u00ed mi\u00f0ur f\u00e1um vi\u00f0 aldrei a\u00f0 heyra hana, og setja okkur inn \u00ed framandi hlj\u00f3\u00f0 og hugmyndaheim. Hva\u00f0 \u00fe\u00f3tti n\u00fdtt og \/ e\u00f0a fram\u00farstefnulegt \u00ed \u00feessum menningarheimum ver\u00f0ur \u00f3m\u00f6gulegt a\u00f0 segja. En samb\u00e6rileg samf\u00e9l\u00f6g geta sj\u00e1lfkrafa af s\u00e9r samb\u00e6rilegar hugmyndir (s.s. l\u00fd\u00f0r\u00e6\u00f0i, eingy\u00f0istr\u00fa, fimmundastillingu&#8230;). A\u00f0st\u00e6\u00f0urnar sem vi\u00f0 erum \u00ed n\u00fana eru allt a\u00f0rar \u00fat af sta\u00f0lav\u00e6\u00f0ingu seinustu 200 \u00e1ra. \u00dea\u00f0 birtist vel \u00ed \u00fev\u00ed a\u00f0 einhvern t\u00edmann \u00fe\u00f3tti ekkert \u00e1gengt vi\u00f0 a\u00f0 setja n\u00fdjustu hlj\u00f3\u00f0f\u00e6rin inn \u00ed n\u00fdjustu verkin en n\u00fa eru allir hlutir \u201eor\u00f0nir til\u201c \u00feannig a\u00f0 ma\u00f0ur velur bara presetana sem er b\u00fai\u00f0 a\u00f0 stilla upp fyrir framan mann. \u00deess vegna var hlj\u00f3\u00f0f\u00e6rasamsetning Pierrot Lunaire frams\u00e6kin, af \u00fev\u00ed a\u00f0 \u00fe\u00f3 i\u00f0nbyltingin v\u00e6ri ekki komin lengra en raun bar vitni, \u00fe\u00e1 var m\u00f6guleikalokunin \u00ed hugum f\u00f3lks og vald einstaklings yfir umhverfi s\u00ednu or\u00f0i\u00f0 svo miki\u00f0 minna. N\u00fat\u00edmama\u00f0urinn b\u00fdr ekki til neitt \u00ed umhverfi s\u00ednu og b\u00fdr s\u00e9r til pers\u00f3nuleika sinn me\u00f0 \u00fev\u00ed a\u00f0 velja preseta.<br \/>\n\u00c1 \u00feennan h\u00e1tt held \u00e9g a\u00f0 f\u00f3lki gangi inn \u00ed a\u00f0 vera \u201efram\u00farstefnulegt\u201c r\u00e9tt eins og \u00fea\u00f0 \u00e1kve\u00f0ur a\u00f0 drekka k\u00f3k, e\u00f0a drekka ekki k\u00f3k. \u00de\u00f3 ma\u00f0ur \u00feurfi a\u00f0 skrolla a\u00f0eins lengra ni\u00f0ur til a\u00f0 velja \u201efram\u00farstefnulegt\u201c er \u00fea\u00f0 samt preset eins og u2 og coke. \u00dea\u00f0 er \u00fat af \u00feessu sem m\u00e9r finnst nau\u00f0syn a\u00f0 b\u00faa til n\u00fdja sta\u00f0la, \u00fev\u00ed \u00fea\u00f0 er \u00fea\u00f0 eina sem getur vernda\u00f0 mann fr\u00e1 \u00fev\u00ed a\u00f0 dragast inn \u00ed straum og a\u00f0dr\u00e1ttarafl almennra sta\u00f0la.<\/p>\n<p>Hafi ma\u00f0ur eigin sta\u00f0la \u00ed kringum eitthva\u00f0 er \u00ed rauninni alveg sama hvernig \u00fea\u00f0 er. \u00dea\u00f0 mun skilja sig \u00far \u00ed st\u00e6rra samhengi, nema allir hermi eftir \u00fev\u00ed og \u00fe\u00e1 er \u00fea\u00f0 bylting. St\u00f3ra blekking s\u00ed\u00f0n\u00fahyggjunar er s\u00fa a\u00f0 allt s\u00e9 svo fj\u00f6lbreytt n\u00fa til dags en hafi aldrei veri\u00f0 \u00fea\u00f0 \u00e1\u00f0ur \u00ed neinu samf\u00e9lagi. \u00dea\u00f0 er algj\u00f6r misskilningur. En heg\u00f0un uppl\u00fdsingana er \u00f6\u00f0ru v\u00edsi \u00fat af t\u00e6kninni. \u00dea\u00f0 hefur aldrei veri\u00f0 til fleira f\u00f3lk \u00ed heiminum en aldrei \u00e1\u00f0ur \u00ed s\u00f6gunni hefur \u00f6ll t\u00f3nlist veri\u00f0 eins l\u00edk. \u00deess vegna held \u00e9g a\u00f0 yfirleitt \u00feegar f\u00f3lk gerir bara \u201eeitthva\u00f0 skr\u00fdti\u00f0\u201c \u00fe\u00e1 er \u00fea\u00f0 ekkert svo skr\u00fdti\u00f0 og \u00fea\u00f0 er alltaf \u00e1 \u00f6\u00f0rum hvorum endanum \u00ed einhverri dichot\u00f3m\u00edu (t\u00f3nal-at\u00f3nal, t\u00f3nar-hlj\u00f3\u00f0, gest\u00faral-uppsliti\u00f0) og skapar aldrei n\u00fdja menningarlega samr\u00e6\u00f0u. \u00deetta sn\u00fdst \u00ed raun um samhengi, held \u00e9g. Dichot\u00f3m\u00edan for\u00f0ar f\u00f3lki fr\u00e1 raunverulegum n\u00fdjungum \u00ed menningarsamr\u00e6\u00f0unni, \u00fev\u00ed f\u00f3lk velur s\u00e9r bara li\u00f0 \u00ed sta\u00f0 \u00feess a\u00f0 skapa. Pers\u00f3nan er bara til \u00ed samf\u00e9laginu og hi\u00f0 pers\u00f3nulega er oft svo mikil blekking, \u00fev\u00ed einstaklingurinn gerir s\u00e9r ekki grein fyrir hva\u00f0 hann er mikill j\u00faniform partur af risa massa.<\/p>\n<p>Pers\u00f3nulega hef \u00e9g bara \u00e1huga \u00e1 t\u00f3nlist, \u00fatfr\u00e1 yfirbor\u00f0inu, \u00fe.e. ef \u00fea\u00f0 er ekki \u00e1hugavert hef \u00e9g engan \u00e1huga \u00e1 a\u00f0 vita meira um verki\u00f0.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"topic-footer\">\u00ab \t\t<a href=\"http:\/\/s-l-a-t-u-r.2169095.n2.nabble.com\/\">Return to S.L.\u00c1.T.U.R.<\/a> |\u00a0 \t\t45 views<\/div>\n<table>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nabble.com\/\" target=\"_top\">Free Embeddable Forum<\/a> powered by Nabble<\/td>\n<td><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p><script type=\"text\/javascript\">\/\/ <![CDATA[\nvar scriptUrl = '\/template\/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=js_page&#038;searchSpecial=2445174&#038;incViewCount=2445174&#038;oldSnippetNotice=2445174&#038;newsflash=&#038;starB=2445174|2445272|2445278|2448295|2449162&#038;visitorOnline=&#038;avatarOnline=tervel-2900087|253744|27160&#038;postCount=tervel-2900087%257EGu%25C3%25B0mundur%2BSteinn%2BGunnarsson|253744|27160&#038;markVisited=2449162&#038;views=2445174&#038;helpFooter=';\nscriptUrl += '&#038;_=' + Math.floor(Math.random()*9999) + Nabble.getClientID();\n$.getScript(scriptUrl, function() { Nabble.resizeFrames(); });\n\/\/ ]]><\/script> <script type=\"text\/javascript\">\/\/ <![CDATA[\n\t\tif (Nabble.analytics) Nabble.analytics();\n\/\/ ]]><\/script> <!-- Start Quantcast tag --> <script type=\"text\/javascript\">\/\/ <![CDATA[\n\t\t\t_qoptions={ qacct:\"p-34EL1DZyJypTI\" };\n\/\/ ]]><\/script> <script src=\"http:\/\/edge.quantserve.com\/quant.js\" type=\"text\/javascript\"><\/script> <noscript><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.quantcast.com\/p-34EL1DZyJypTI\" target=\"_blank\"\nrel=\"nofollow\"><img\nsrc=\"http:\/\/pixel.quantserve.com\/pixel\/p-34EL1DZyJypTI.gif\"\nstyle=\"display: none;\" border=\"0\" height=\"1\" width=\"1\"\nalt=\"Quantcast\"\/><\/a> <\/noscript> <!-- End Quantcast tag --><\/div>\n<p><script type=\"text\/javascript\">\/\/ <![CDATA[\n\t\t\t\t\t\t$(document).ready(function() { Nabble.fixCookieClientID(); });\n\/\/ ]]><\/script> <!-- n2.nabble.com --><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>S.L.\u00c1.T.U.R. 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