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n\u00e1kv\u00e6mlega er sem \u00e1tt er vi\u00f0 me\u00f0 \u00feessu. Til a\u00f0 nota \u00feetta sem f\u00fakyr\u00f0i \u00fe\u00e1 ver\u00f0um vi\u00f0 a\u00f0 skilgreina \u00feessi hugt\u00f6k a\u00f0eins betur og \u00ed \u00feeim tilgangi hendi \u00e9g h\u00e9rna \u00fat nokkrum skilgreiningum til a\u00f0 byrja me\u00f0.<\/p>\n<p>Gest\u00faral<br \/>\nS\u00f6gulega er gest\u00faral t\u00f3nlist, t\u00f3nlist \u00fear sem sama \u00fatl\u00edna e\u00f0a gest\u00fara er notu\u00f0 sem template \u00ed einhverri v\u00eddd. D\u00e6mi um gest\u00faru v\u00e6ri \u00fe\u00e1 t.d. hratt arpegg\u00ed\u00f3 upp \u00e1 vi\u00f0 og svo h\u00e6gur skali ni\u00f0ur \u00e1 vi\u00f0 \u00e1 eftir. \u00deetta template g\u00e6ti veri\u00f0 sett ofan \u00e1 hva\u00f0a hlj\u00f3msv\u00e6\u00f0i sem er, e\u00f0a teygt \u00ed t\u00edma og e\u00f0a t\u00f3nv\u00eddd (register). S\u00fa gagnr\u00fdni sem oftast heyrist \u00e1 sl\u00edka t\u00f3nlist er a\u00f0 sl\u00edkar gest\u00farur s\u00e9u \u00ed raun ekkert anna\u00f0 en m\u00f3t\u00edf og a\u00f0 t\u00f3nlist sem s\u00e9 unnin me\u00f0 \u00feessari a\u00f0fer\u00f0arfr\u00e6\u00f0i s\u00e9 \u00fev\u00ed \u00ed grunninn s\u00e9\u00f0 bygg\u00f0 \u00e1 19. aldar a\u00f0fer\u00f0arfr\u00e6\u00f0i (klass\u00edskt developmental form). Fyrirviki\u00f0 er \u00feessi t\u00f3nlist gamaldags. D\u00e6mi eru t.d. m\u00f6rg verk eftir Pierre Boulez. Gest\u00farur eru l\u00edka oft gagnr\u00fdndar fyrir a\u00f0 vera emot\u00edfar. Gest\u00faral hugtaki\u00f0 segir ekkert um ytra form verksins.<\/p>\n<p>Meta-Gest\u00faral<br \/>\nOr\u00f0verpi. \u00deetta er ekki beint til sem hugtak og flest allir sem \u00e9g \u00feekki nota mismunandi or\u00f0 yfir \u00feetta. \u00deetta er \u00feegar gest\u00fara er ekki lengur \u00e1 l\u00f3kal levelinu heldur er or\u00f0in formeining. D\u00e6mi g\u00e6ti veri\u00f0 templati\u00f0 stuttar-n\u00f3tur \/ langar-n\u00f3tur og gert \u00ed heilli hlj\u00f3msveit. Undir \u00feetta flokkast fullt af verkum, allt fr\u00e1 Xenakis (Metastasis) og Ligeti (Atmospheres), yfir \u00ed sum hlj\u00f3msveitarverk spektralistanna og fullt af IRCAM verkum (\u00fea\u00f0 er rosalega au\u00f0vellt a\u00f0 gera b\u00e6\u00f0i \u00feetta og gest\u00faral t\u00f3nlist \u00ed openmusic).<\/p>\n<p>Effekt\u00faal<br \/>\n\u00deetta er held \u00e9g fyrirb\u00e6ri\u00f0 sem oftast er rugla\u00f0 saman vi\u00f0 gest\u00faral (hugsanlega af\u00fev\u00ed b\u00e6\u00f0i geta veri\u00f0 \u00ed gangi \u00ed einu). Effekt\u00faal t\u00f3nlist er \u00fea\u00f0 sem Gu\u00f0mundur Steinn kallar v\u00fash-bang fyrirb\u00e6ri\u00f0 \u00ed t\u00f3nlist Lachenman. \u00deetta er \u00feegar hlj\u00f3\u00f0 og form renna saman \u00e1 vissum punktum \u00feannig a\u00f0 \u00f6ll v\u00f6tn liggja a\u00f0 atbur\u00f0i og svo gerist atbur\u00f0urinn og allt brotnar upp \u00fat fr\u00e1 honum. Sennilega klisja n\u00famer 1 s\u00ed\u00f0ustu 15 \u00e1rin.<\/p>\n<p>Cellular<br \/>\n\u00deetta er anna\u00f0 fyrirb\u00e6ri sem oft er rugla\u00f0 saman vi\u00f0 gest\u00faral t\u00f3nlist. \u00deetta er t.d. Ferneyhough e\u00f0a Spahlinger. T\u00f3nlist sem er ger\u00f0 \u00far elementum sem eru st\u00e6rri en bara n\u00f3tur e\u00f0a hlj\u00f3\u00f0 sem er ra\u00f0a\u00f0 saman. 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Sj\u00e1lfur tel \u00e9g mig hafa hr\u00e6rt \u00feessum hlutum saman. Er einmitt a\u00f0 sp\u00e1 \u00ed a\u00f0 brj\u00f3ta odd \u00e1 ofl\u00e6ti \u00ed verki sem \u00e9g er a\u00f0 gera me\u00f0 b\u00fat sem er \u00fe\u00e1 effekt\u00faal \u00e1 svo \u00fdktan h\u00e1tt a\u00f0 \u00fea\u00f0 ver\u00f0ur f\u00e1ranlegt og teiknimyndalegt.<\/p>\n<p>\u00c9g veit n\u00fana alveg hva\u00f0 \u00fe\u00fa ert a\u00f0 meina me\u00f0 gest\u00faral, en lachenmann er oft b\u00e6\u00f0i \u00ed senn effekt\u00faal og gest\u00faral. Isabel Mundry er d\u00e6mi um t\u00f3nsk\u00e1ld sem er mj\u00f6g gest\u00faral. En hva\u00f0 myndir\u00f0u segja um James Dillon? Ver\u00f0ur hann ekki gest\u00faral \u00e1 k\u00f6flum?<\/p>\n<p>Eru ekki til \u00edslensk or\u00f0 yfir posture og gesture? 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Dillon er pott\u00fe\u00e9t gest\u00faral. \u00deetta er eitthva\u00f0 sem kom fyrir st\u00f3rann hluta af annari kynsl\u00f3\u00f0 \u00e1 har\u00f0ri n\u00fdfl\u00e6kju. Kannski r\u00e1\u00f0 a\u00f0 setja fram upphaflegu n\u00fdfl\u00e6kjuskilgreininguna \u00fear sem h\u00fan er allt \u00f6nnur en s\u00fa skilgreining sem vi\u00f0 notum \u00ed dag.<\/p>\n<p>N\u00fdfl\u00e6kja<br \/>\nT\u00f3nlist \u00fear sem t\u00f3nsk\u00e1ldi\u00f0 byrjar me\u00f0 b\u00fat af efni (oft heimaso\u00f0inn) og greinir hva\u00f0a tengsl eru \u00e1 milli n\u00f3tnanna sem eru \u00ed \u00feessu efni (taki\u00f0 eftir a\u00f0 h\u00e9r nota \u00e9g or\u00f0i\u00f0 n\u00f3tur, ekki hlj\u00f3\u00f0 e\u00f0a sellur). St\u00e6r\u00f0fr\u00e6\u00f0ileg hlutf\u00f6ll \u00ed rhythma og t\u00f3nheg\u00f0un eru tekin \u00ed sundur og k\u00f6nnu\u00f0 \u00cd T\u00d3NLISTINNI, ekki fyrst greind utan hennar og svo sett saman. Eftir a\u00f0 eitthva\u00f0 er fest \u00e1 bla\u00f0 \u00fe\u00e1 er \u00fea\u00f0 greint og \u00fe\u00e6r uppl\u00fdsingar og \u00fea\u00f0 lj\u00f3s sem \u00fe\u00e6r varpa \u00e1 upphaflega \u00e1standi\u00f0 n\u00fdttar til a\u00f0 halda \u00e1fram. Greining og t\u00f3nsm\u00ed\u00f0 renna saman \u00ed eitt. \u00deessi a\u00f0fer\u00f0 b\u00ed\u00f0ur auglj\u00f3slega ekki upp \u00e1 mj\u00f6g l\u00f6ng verk og f\u00e9ll um sj\u00e1lfa sig \u00e1 einu e\u00f0a tveim \u00e1rum. Merkilegt nokk \u00fe\u00e1 voru \u00feetta a\u00f0allega nemendur \u00feeirra sem vi\u00f0 n\u00fa k\u00f6llum n\u00fdfl\u00e6kjut\u00f3nsk\u00e1ld frekar en \u00feeir sj\u00e1lfir. Oft er \u00feetta kalla\u00f0 Freiburg sk\u00f3linn. \u00deetta er \u00ed raun \u00f6fga developmental a\u00f0fer\u00f0afr\u00e6\u00f0i \u00fear sem er ekki einu sinni neitt m\u00f3t\u00edf\u00edskt til sta\u00f0ar til a\u00f0 vinna \u00far.<\/p>\n<p>Lausnin \u00e1 lengdarvandam\u00e1linu var a\u00f0 nota reservoir (l\u00f3n) af fyrirfram \u00fatb\u00fanum generat\u00edfu t\u00f3nefni. Hlj\u00f3ma, rhythma, etc. Og eins og allir geta s\u00e9\u00f0 \u00fe\u00e1 hl\u00fdtur \u00fea\u00f0 a\u00f0 stefna \u00ed \u00e1ttina a\u00f0 gest\u00faral t\u00f3nsm\u00ed\u00f0um. Pattern sem eru dregin \u00far upphafinu eru notu\u00f0 sem template og n\u00f3tur teknar \u00far \u00feessum l\u00f3num (sem oft eru \u00e1 einhverskonar r\u00f3tation e\u00f0a pr\u00f3gression \u00ed gegnum s\u00edna v\u00eddd) nota\u00f0ar sem element.<\/p>\n<p>\u00deetta \u00fe\u00fd\u00f0ir l\u00edka a\u00f0 \u00feegar engin er andagiftin \u00ed \u00fev\u00ed sem f\u00f3lk er a\u00f0 vinna me\u00f0 \u00fe\u00e1 endar \u00feetta bara sem hrein gest\u00faralt\u00f3nlist, nema stundum ekki einu sinni me\u00f0 gest\u00faru \u00ed. \u00deetta er \u00fea\u00f0 sem vi\u00f0 n\u00fana k\u00f6llum oft n\u00fdfl\u00e6kju.<\/p>\n<p>\u00d6nnur arfleif\u00f0 n\u00fdfl\u00e6kjunnar er \u00e1 hinn boginn obsessive \u00e1hugi \u00e1 efnivi\u00f0 og a\u00f0fer\u00f0arfr\u00e6\u00f0i sem sn\u00fdr a\u00f0 \u00fev\u00ed a\u00f0 kanna \u00e1 associat\u00edfskann h\u00e1tt hva\u00f0 s\u00e9 \u00ed upphafsefnivi\u00f0num. Barrett og Spahlinger eru b\u00e1\u00f0ir \u00ed \u00feessa \u00e1ttina.<\/p>\n<p>p.s. 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Ekkert subjective, algj\u00f6rlega f\u00eds\u00edskt, eins og t.d. a\u00f0 interpolera einum rhythma yfir \u00ed annann er a\u00f0 taka gildin \u00ed fyrri rhythmanum og svo breyta \u00feeim \u00ed skrefum \u00ed \u00e1ttina a\u00f0 skotmarks rhythmanum.<\/p>\n<p>D\u00e6mi:<\/p>\n<p>1 3 5 1 yfir \u00ed 2 7 4 9 \u00ed fimm skrefum. Reglan v\u00e6ri \u00fe\u00e1 a\u00f0 taka rhytma A og draga hann fr\u00e1 rhytma B og svo deila me\u00f0 fj\u00f6lda skrefa og svo einfaldlega leggja vi\u00f0. Svo eru til g\u00f3\u00f0ar og gildar reglur um hvernig ma\u00f0ur b\u00e6tir gildum inn\u00ed e\u00f0a fellir \u00feau \u00fat.<\/p>\n<p>1 \u00a0 \u00a0 3 \u00a0 \u00a0 5 \u00a0 \u00a0 1<br \/>\n1.2 \u00a03.8 \u00a0 4.8 \u00a02.6<br \/>\n1.4 \u00a04.6 \u00a0 4.6 \u00a04.2<br \/>\n1.6 \u00a05.4 \u00a0 4.4 \u00a05.8<br \/>\n1.8 \u00a06.2 \u00a0 4.2 \u00a07.4<br \/>\n2 \u00a07 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a04 \u00a0 \u00a0 9<\/p>\n<p>Ef vi\u00f0 n\u00e1lgum \u00feetta \u00fe\u00e1 er \u00fea\u00f0<br \/>\n1 3 5 1<br \/>\n1 4 5 3<br \/>\n1 5 5 4<br \/>\n2 5 4 7<br \/>\n2 7 4 9<\/p>\n<p>\u00deetta er n\u00e1tt\u00farulega alveg hreint gl\u00f6tu\u00f0 t\u00f3nsm\u00ed\u00f0aa\u00f0fer\u00f0 og engin heilvita ma\u00f0ur myndi nokkrusinni nota hana. \u00deetta m\u00e1 finna \u00ed n\u00e6stum \u00f6llum heldri manna spektral verkum.<\/p>\n<p>\u00deeir sem helst eru \u00e1 m\u00f3ti \u00feessari t\u00e6kni vilja meina a\u00f0 betra s\u00e9 a\u00f0 nota umverpingu (permutation), \u00fear sem a\u00f0 \u00fea\u00f0 s\u00e9 &#8220;t\u00f3nlistarlegra&#8221; hva\u00f0 sem \u00fea\u00f0 \u00fe\u00fd\u00f0ir. A\u00f0al gallinn er sennilega a\u00f0 \u00feetta er frekar fyrirsj\u00e1anlegt og manni fer a\u00f0 lei\u00f0ast \u00feegar ma\u00f0ur fattar a\u00f0 \u00feetta er \u00ed gangi. Ma\u00f0ur endurskilgreinir eininguna sem &#8220;interpolation&#8221; \u00ed sta\u00f0in fyrir a\u00f0 hlusta \u00e1 rhythmann.<\/p>\n<p>Ein umverping sem kemur upp \u00ed hugann er a\u00f0 byrja \u00e1 einum punkti og fyrir hvert gildi sem ekki er \u00ed targetinu \u00fe\u00e1 s\u00e9 teki\u00f0 random gildi einhversta\u00f0ar \u00e1 milli \u00feessara tveggja n\u00famera. \u00deetta \u00fe\u00fd\u00f0ir a\u00f0 ef a\u00f0 target n\u00famer kemur upp \u00ed r\u00e9ttu h\u00f3lfi \u00fe\u00e1 er \u00fev\u00ed haldi\u00f0 \u00fat umverpinguna.<br \/>\n1 3 5 1<br \/>\n1 4 4 6<br \/>\n1 6 4 4<br \/>\n2 4 4 6<br \/>\n2 3 4 2<br \/>\n2 6 4 8<br \/>\n2 7 4 5<br \/>\n2 7 4 9<\/p>\n<p>Interpolation reglan gildir l\u00edka um hlj\u00f3ma. Sennilega eru einhverjar hugmyndafr\u00e6\u00f0ir sem gera ekki \u00feennan greinarmun e\u00f0a gera hann \u00f6\u00f0ruv\u00edsi en svona l\u00e6r\u00f0i \u00e9g \u00feetta.<\/p>\n<p>Idiomatic er miklu lo\u00f0nara af\u00fev\u00ed a\u00f0 idiomat\u00edsk spilunart\u00e6kni \u00e1 p\u00edan\u00f3 er hvernig ma\u00f0ur heldur h\u00f6ndunum \u00feegar ma\u00f0ur spilar Rachmaninoff en idiomat\u00edsk hlj\u00f3\u00f0 p\u00edan\u00f3sins eru hva\u00f0 sem kemur \u00fat \u00feegar ma\u00f0ur lemur \u00fea\u00f0 me\u00f0 hamri.<\/p>\n<p>Vill endilega a\u00f0 einhver finni betri skilgreiningu \u00e1 \u00fev\u00ed.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/s-l-a-t-u-r.2169095.n2.nabble.com\/template\/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=user_nodes&amp;user=tervel-2900087%7EGu%C3%B0mundur+Steinn+Gunnarsson\">Gu\u00f0mundur Steinn Gunnarsson<\/a><\/div>\n<div><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Selected post\" 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Partiels fer\u00f0ast \u00e1 milli \u00e1standa sem eru hlj\u00f3mr\u00e6n e\u00f0a \u00f3hlj\u00f3mr\u00e6n, en \u00feau eru \u00f3l\u00edk a\u00f0 lengd og vi\u00f0sn\u00faningarpunktar mynda \u00e1kve\u00f0na h\u00e1punkta sem eru mish\u00e1ir og interpolation ferlin eru misl\u00f6ng \u00feannig a\u00f0 \u00far ver\u00f0ur \u201et\u00f3nlistarlegt fer\u00f0alag\u201c \u00ed hef\u00f0bundnum skilningi. Mj\u00f6g fallegt verk samt.<br \/>\n\u00deetta er mj\u00f6g \u00f3l\u00edkt Hollenskri og Amer\u00edskri interpolation, sem er bara hrein lei\u00f0 fr\u00e1 A yfir \u00ed B. \u00deannig eru t.d. mj\u00f6g m\u00f6rg verk eftir Tenney og eftirmenn. Galdurinn \u00ed \u00feessu er \u00fev\u00ed a\u00f0 b\u00faa til ferli sem er n\u00f3gu \u00e1hugavert \u00ed sta\u00f0 \u00feess a\u00f0 b\u00faa narrat\u00edf \u00far r\u00f6\u00f0 \u00f3l\u00edkra ferla og smyrja svo sultu og rj\u00f3ma utan \u00e1 sem \u00e9g er sannf\u00e6r\u00f0ur um a\u00f0 Grisey og f\u00e9lagar hafi stunda\u00f0.<br \/>\nEn \u00feetta er dik\u00f3t\u00f3m\u00eda milli, nor\u00f0ur- og su\u00f0ur-Evr\u00f3pu, Germana og R\u00f3mana, M\u00f3tm\u00e6lenda og Ka\u00fe\u00f3likka. Fr\u00e6nka m\u00edn sem er prestur var um daginn a\u00f0 tala um hvernig ka\u00fe\u00f3likkar hafa strangar reglur, en \u00fe\u00e6r eru alltaf til umr\u00e6\u00f0u, \u00e1 me\u00f0an \u00ed l\u00faterstr\u00fa hafa reglur alltaf bara veri\u00f0 reglur. 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Getur\u00f0u, Dav\u00ed\u00f0, sagt a\u00f0eins meira um \u00fea\u00f0. \u00de\u00e1 er bara einhver grunn eining, sem g\u00e6ti veri\u00f0 \u00ed senn t\u00f3nar\/hlj\u00f3\u00f0\/samhlj\u00f3mur\/hrynur og svo er unni\u00f0 me\u00f0 \u00feessa heild sem einingu?, no?<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/s-l-a-t-u-r.2169095.n2.nabble.com\/template\/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=user_nodes&amp;user=tervel-3146947%7EDavid+Brynjar+Franzson\">David Brynjar Franzson<\/a><\/div>\n<div><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Selected post\" src=\"http:\/\/s-l-a-t-u-r.2169095.n2.nabble.com\/images\/arrow.png\" alt=\"Selected post\" width=\"15\" height=\"15\" \/> Mar 09, 2009; 4:46pm<script type=\"text\/javascript\">\/\/ <![CDATA[\n\t\tNabble.get('d1236617186546-873').innerHTML= Nabble.formatDateLong(new Date(1236617186546));\n\/\/ ]]><\/script><\/p>\n<h2>Re: Neikv\u00e6\u00f0ar Skilgreiningar<\/h2>\n<\/div>\n<div><a 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L\u00faterstr\u00fa. Hef oft heyrt \u00feetta sem \u00fatsk\u00fdringu \u00e1 muninum \u00e1 franskri og \u00fe\u00fdskri menningu, en \u00fe\u00e1 er spurningin barasta hvar allar hinar mi\u00f0evr\u00f3pu\u00fej\u00f3\u00f0irnar falla inn\u00ed. Hvar eru kalvinistarnir \u00ed \u00feessu.<\/p>\n<p>Hva\u00f0 var\u00f0ar interpolation \u00fe\u00e1 held \u00e9g mig vi\u00f0 a\u00f0 \u00fea\u00f0 s\u00e9 sama t\u00e6knin hj\u00e1 b\u00e6\u00f0i Tenney og Grisey. Munurinn er s\u00e1 hvort a\u00f0fer\u00f0in s\u00e9 formi\u00f0 e\u00f0a s\u00e9 t\u00e6kni sem er notu\u00f0 (eins og \u00fe\u00fa segir til a\u00f0 setja rj\u00f3ma og sykur \u00e1).<br \/>\nHva\u00f0 var\u00f0ar partiels \u00fe\u00e1 er ekki interpolation \u00e1 fer\u00f0inni \u00ed hlj\u00f3munum. \u00c9g held a\u00f0 bassinn \u00ed byrjuninni s\u00e9 a\u00f0 interpolera \u00e1 milli einhverra tveggja fyrirb\u00e6ra, en hlj\u00f3maa\u00f0fer\u00f0in er s\u00fa a\u00f0 hann transponerara alltaf ni\u00f0ur um \u00e1ttund n\u00f3tum \u00e1 milli hvers attacks til a\u00f0 f\u00e1 \u00f3mstr\u00ed\u00f0ari hlj\u00f3m. Ekki hrein interpolation \u00fear \u00fev\u00ed \u00fea\u00f0 er spectral pr\u00f3cess \u00fear sem f\u00fds\u00edsk atri\u00f0i leggja endapunktinn fyrir, en ekki einhver fyrirframgefin punktur. \u00deetta er pr\u00f3cess, ekki interpolation.<\/p>\n<p>\u00de\u00f3 svo Grisey hafi fari\u00f0 a\u00f0 vinna me\u00f0 sykur og rj\u00f3ma s\u00ed\u00f0ar meir \u00fe\u00e1 er held \u00e9g rosalega l\u00edti\u00f0 frelsi \u00ed partiels og n\u00e6stum allt er pr\u00f3cess, nema hvernig \u00feeir eru settir saman sem er narrat\u00edfa formi\u00f0.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/s-l-a-t-u-r.2169095.n2.nabble.com\/template\/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=user_nodes&amp;user=tervel-3146947%7EDavid+Brynjar+Franzson\">David Brynjar Franzson<\/a><\/div>\n<div><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Selected post\" src=\"http:\/\/s-l-a-t-u-r.2169095.n2.nabble.com\/images\/arrow.png\" alt=\"Selected post\" width=\"15\" 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Sennilega er h\u00e6gt a\u00f0 kenna tungum\u00e1lsgetu mannskepnunnar a\u00f0 einhverju leyti um \u00fea\u00f0 a\u00f0 \u00feetta form er jafn algengt og raun ber vitni. \u00deetta myndu vera \u00f6ll form sem byggja upp \u00e1 \u00fev\u00ed a\u00f0 \u00fer\u00f3a eitthva\u00f0 innan t\u00f3nlistarinnar. Lachenman er d\u00e6mi um hreint developmental form.<\/p>\n<p>Pers\u00f3nulega finnst m\u00e9r developmental form geta veri\u00f0 b\u00e6\u00f0i \u00f6murlegt og r\u00e1b\u00e6rt og \u00e9g f\u00e6 ekki s\u00e9\u00f0 a\u00f0 forminu s\u00e9 um a\u00f0 kenna a\u00f0 miki\u00f0 af vondri t\u00f3nlist s\u00e9 skrifu\u00f0 innan afbrig\u00f0a \u00feess.<\/p>\n<p>2) Exposition form. \u00deetta v\u00e6ri \u00fe\u00e1 t.d. sum Tenney stykki, e\u00f0a conecptual stykki, \u00fear sem hugmyndin er verki\u00f0 og ekkert subject\u00edft f\u00e6r a\u00f0 koma inn \u00ed stykki\u00f0 eftir a\u00f0 allar \u00e1kvar\u00f0anir um hugmyndina \/ pr\u00f3cessin hafa veri\u00f0 teknar. Flest pr\u00f3cess stykki myndu falla \u00ed \u00feennan flokk.<\/p>\n<p>Flest verk eru hvorugt e\u00f0a b\u00e6\u00f0i. Partials er ekki beint developmental, en hlj\u00f3mar \u00feannig af \u00fev\u00ed \u00fea\u00f0 fer\u00f0ast \u00e1 milli hlj\u00f3\u00f0heima \u00e1 subject\u00edfan h\u00e1tt \u00fe\u00f3 svo pr\u00f3cessarnir s\u00e9u har\u00f0ir \u00e1 me\u00f0an \u00e1 \u00feeim stendur. Xenakis semur svipa\u00f0. Anna\u00f0 afbryg\u00f0i er developmental surface ofan \u00e1 har\u00f0ann pr\u00f3cess, t.d. Ferneyhough. \u00deri\u00f0ja afbryg\u00f0i\u00f0 er t.d. Donatoni sem er frekar bokstafleg development ofan \u00e1 soft pr\u00f3cess. Seinni t\u00edma spektralistar f\u00f3ru ansi miki\u00f0 \u00fat \u00e1 \u00feessa braut l\u00edka.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/s-l-a-t-u-r.2169095.n2.nabble.com\/template\/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=user_nodes&amp;user=tervel-2900087%7EGu%C3%B0mundur+Steinn+Gunnarsson\">Gu\u00f0mundur Steinn Gunnarsson<\/a><\/div>\n<div><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Selected post\" src=\"http:\/\/s-l-a-t-u-r.2169095.n2.nabble.com\/images\/arrow.png\" alt=\"Selected post\" width=\"15\" height=\"15\" \/> Mar 09, 2009; 6:09pm<script type=\"text\/javascript\">\/\/ <![CDATA[\n\t\tNabble.get('d1236622158552-927').innerHTML= Nabble.formatDateLong(new Date(1236622158552));\n\/\/ ]]><\/script><\/p>\n<h2>Re: Neikv\u00e6\u00f0ar Skilgreiningar<\/h2>\n<\/div>\n<div><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/s-l-a-t-u-r.2169095.n2.nabble.com\/template\/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=reply&amp;node=2450635\">Reply<\/a> | \t\t\t\t\t<a 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En \u00e1ttu \u00fe\u00e1 vi\u00f0 a\u00f0 munurinn \u00e1 interpolation og pr\u00f3sess er \u00ed raun a\u00f0 interpolation er str\u00f6ng a\u00f0fer\u00f0 en pr\u00f3sess er frj\u00e1lslegra fer\u00f0alag fr\u00e1 einu \u00e1standi yfir \u00ed anna\u00f0, e\u00f0a jafnvel a\u00f0 interpolation s\u00e9 svona undirgrein pr\u00f3sess.<br \/>\nEn \u00ed Partiels eru h\u00e1punktarnir alltaf til skiptis harm\u00f3n\u00edskir og inharm\u00f3n\u00edskir og eru \u00fev\u00ed alltaf a\u00f0 flakka \u00ed sitthvora \u00e1ttina (svona tonic dominant), ikke?<\/p>\n<p>Getur\u00f0u fyllt fyrir m\u00e9r hva\u00f0 \u00fe\u00fa meinar me\u00f0 process vs. interpolation.<\/p>\n<p>Svo erum \u00e9g og Palli me\u00f0 t\u00f3nsm\u00ed\u00f0aa\u00f0fer\u00f0 sem heitir m\u00f6mminn og p\u00f6bbinn. \u00dea\u00f0 er n\u00e1tt\u00farulega fr\u00e6\u00f0ilega s\u00e9\u00f0 var\u00edasj\u00f3n af einhverjum eldir a\u00f0fer\u00f0um en grunnkonsepti\u00f0 er a\u00f0 \u00fe\u00fa ert me\u00f0 tvo hluti A og B, \u00feeir koma til skiptis og morfast \u00e1 hvorn annan og \u00far ver\u00f0ur lillinn AB. Svo koma AB og C og fara a\u00f0 makast \u00e1 sama h\u00e1tt og svo fram vegis og svo famvegis. 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T.d. er consonant \/ dissonant flakki\u00f0 \u00ed partiels d\u00e6mi um pr\u00f3cess sem er ekki interpolation (einhvernt\u00edma heyr\u00f0i \u00e9g Murail segja a\u00f0 \u00feetta v\u00e6ri distortion pr\u00f3sess, i.e. spectr\u00fami\u00f0 er \u00ed raun distorta\u00f0 meir og meir eftir \u00fev\u00ed sem \u00e1 l\u00ed\u00f0ur).<\/p>\n<p>Interpolation er sem sagt strict undirt\u00fdpa af pr\u00f3sess.<\/p>\n<p>Pr\u00f3sess er ekki endilega strict, hann g\u00e6ti veri\u00f0 einhverskonar heuristic n\u00e1lgun sem t\u00f3nsk\u00e1ld notar til a\u00f0 fara fr\u00e1 A yfir \u00ed B. Er reyndar ekki alveg viss um a\u00f0 \u00feetta s\u00e9 r\u00e9tt, kannski pr\u00f3cess s\u00e9 alltaf strict?<\/p>\n<p>\u00dearna kemur l\u00edka inn \u00ed spurningin um muninn \u00e1 kerfi (system), a\u00f0fer\u00f0 (method) og a\u00f0fer\u00f0arfr\u00e6\u00f0i (methodology).<\/p>\n<p>Kerfi<br \/>\nKerfi er eitthva\u00f0 sem er strict, t.d. er integral serialismi kerfi. Um lei\u00f0 og parametrarnir fyrir kerfi\u00f0 hafa veri\u00f0 settir inn (i.e. hva\u00f0a r\u00f3tation er \u00ed notkun \u00e1 hva\u00f0a leveli, svo sem t\u00f3nh\u00e6\u00f0, t\u00f3nlengd, t\u00f3nlitur, etc) \u00fe\u00e1 framlei\u00f0ir kerfi\u00f0 yfirbor\u00f0i\u00f0 fr\u00e1 \u00feeim punkti \u00feanga\u00f0 til klipt er \u00e1 e\u00f0a n\u00fdjir parametrar eru pl\u00f6gga\u00f0ir inn.<\/p>\n<p>A\u00f0fer\u00f0<br \/>\nA\u00f0fer\u00f0 er eitthva\u00f0 sem er generat\u00edft (e\u00f0a subrakt\u00edft), en \u00e1 ekki endilega vi\u00f0 \u00e1 \u00f6llum levelum og t\u00f3nsk\u00e1ldi\u00f0 getur nota\u00f0 \u00feegar honum s\u00fdnist. Ef \u00feessi skilgreining er notu\u00f0 \u00fe\u00e1 er t.d. distortionin \u00ed partiels a\u00f0fer\u00f0. Miki\u00f0 af t\u00e6knilegum atri\u00f0um \u00ed spektralisma eru oft kerfi sem eru notu\u00f0 sem a\u00f0fer\u00f0 sem fl\u00e6kir m\u00e1li\u00f0 a\u00f0eins. Flestir pr\u00f3cessar eru a\u00f0ferir, kannski allir og \u00f6fugt.<\/p>\n<p>A\u00f0fer\u00f0arfr\u00e6\u00f0i<br \/>\nA\u00f0fer\u00f0arfr\u00e6\u00f0i er \u00fe\u00e1 h\u00f3pur af a\u00f0fer\u00f0um sem eru nota\u00f0ar \u00e1 subjekt\u00edfann h\u00e1tt. Serialismi byggir \u00e1 kerfi, Spektralismi \u00e1 a\u00f0fer\u00f0arfr\u00e6\u00f0i.<\/p>\n<p>\u00c9g hef\u00f0i l\u00edka \u00e1huga \u00e1 a\u00f0 vita \u00e1 hvern h\u00e1tt er M\u00f6mminn og P\u00f6bbin fr\u00e1brug\u00f0in almennu developmental formi? \u00cd Beethoven m\u00e1 oft finna n\u00e1kv\u00e6mlega \u00feessa a\u00f0fer\u00f0 nema a\u00f0 hann notar alltaf recapitulation eins og \u00e6tlast var til af honum sem r\u00fastar \u00fev\u00ed a\u00f0 ma\u00f0ur heyri formi\u00f0 svona, en ef ma\u00f0ur l\u00edtur \u00e1 frams\u00f6gu og \u00farvinnslu \u00ed m\u00f6rgum sinfon\u00edunum \u00fe\u00e1 myndi \u00feessi l\u00fdsing eiga vi\u00f0 \u00fear nema a\u00f0 sennilega eru A og B \u00fear miklu st\u00e6rri eyndir en \u00fea\u00f0 sem \u00fe\u00fa \u00e1tt vi\u00f0 e\u00f0a hva\u00f0?<\/p><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div><a 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En eins og skrefhindran m\u00edn er \u00fea\u00f0 sama og kan\u00f3n, en h\u00fan er takmarka\u00f0ri og gerir minna eins og samplerinn sem \u00e9g bj\u00f3 til \u00ed g\u00e6r. S\u00e9reinkennin eru \u00feau a\u00f0 a\u00f0fer\u00f0in og notagildi\u00f0 er takmarka\u00f0ra og \u00fev\u00ed eru f\u00e6rri m\u00f6guleikar \u00e1 \u00fatkomum og \u00fear me\u00f0 sterkari s\u00e9rkenni. \u00c9g \u00feekki ekki \u00feennan Beethoven sem \u00fe\u00fa talar um, en mig grunar a\u00f0 hans form s\u00e9 \u00fea\u00f0 sem \u00e9g og palli k\u00f6llu\u00f0um upprunalega p\u00f6ddinn, en \u00fea\u00f0 er svolei\u00f0is m\u00f6mminn p\u00f6bbinn kort sem v\u00edsa miki\u00f0 inn \u00e1 vi\u00f0 og fara \u00ed loka\u00f0a hringi og mynda symmetr\u00edsk mynstur. Samkv\u00e6mt \u00e6ttfr\u00e6\u00f0i og afbrig\u00f0as\u00e1lfr\u00e6\u00f0i v\u00e6ri \u00fea\u00f0 kalla\u00f0 sifjaspell, s.s. allar hugmyndirnar eru fr\u00e6ndf\u00f3lk. \u00dea\u00f0 telst oft ekki gott, en \u00fea\u00f0 er h\u00e6gt a\u00f0 prufa \u00fea\u00f0 \u00ed formi.<br \/>\nEn m\u00f6mminn p\u00f6bbinn formi\u00f0 \u00ed sinni hreinustu mynd, er einhvern veginn svona (P\u00e1ll lei\u00f0r\u00e9ttu ef \u00fe\u00fa ert \u00f3samm\u00e1la):<\/p>\n<p>\u00ferep 1<\/p>\n<p>mj\u00e1\u00e1\u00e1<br \/>\nvoff<br \/>\nmj\u00e1<br \/>\nv\u00f3ff<br \/>\nmj\u00e1af<br \/>\nv\u00e1ff<br \/>\nmj\u00e1of<br \/>\nvj\u00e1f<\/p>\n<p>\u00ferep 2<\/p>\n<p>vj\u00e1f<br \/>\nlaaa<br \/>\nvjaf<br \/>\nlaaaf<br \/>\nvja<br \/>\nlaaf<br \/>\nvjaa<br \/>\nlaf<br \/>\nvjaaa<br \/>\nl\u00e1f<br \/>\nvaaa<br \/>\nlj\u00e1f<\/p>\n<p>\u00ferep 3<\/p>\n<p>lj\u00e1f<br \/>\nrrrr<br \/>\nlj\u00e1rf<br \/>\nrrrf<br \/>\nlj\u00e1rrf<br \/>\nrrr\u00e1rf<br \/>\nlj\u00e1rr<br \/>\nrrj\u00e1rf<br \/>\nlr\u00e1rr<br \/>\nrj\u00e1lfr<\/p>\n<p>og svo framvegis.<\/p>\n<p>En svo me\u00f0 a\u00f0rar skilgreiningar.<\/p>\n<p>me\u00f0 subjekt\u00edv og objekt\u00edv \u00fe\u00e1 hef \u00e9g l\u00e6rt \u00edslensku or\u00f0in hlutl\u00e6gni og hlutdr\u00e6gni. Svo segja sumir hugl\u00e6gni og hlutl\u00e6gni. Hlutl\u00e6gni hl\u00fdtur a\u00f0 \u00fe\u00fd\u00f0a objekt\u00edvt \u00ed b\u00e1\u00f0um \u00feessum samhengjum en \u00e9g tel mig hafa s\u00e9\u00f0 \u00fea\u00f0 vera nota\u00f0 \u00ed villandi samhengi.<\/p>\n<p>Svo vil \u00e9g fyrst vi\u00f0 erum a\u00f0 tala um oftsamanrugla\u00f0ar skilgreiningar \u00fe\u00e1 langar mig a\u00f0 grei\u00f0a \u00far tveim hugt\u00f6kum sem hafa fari\u00f0 \u00ed k\u00e1ssu \u00ed m\u00f6rgum b\u00f3kum og fleiru.<\/p>\n<p>Indeterminacy, er or\u00f0 sem John Cage nota\u00f0i yfir \u00fea\u00f0 sem hann vara a\u00f0 gera 1957-eitthva\u00f0 og Wolf, Feldman og Brown \u00fear \u00e1 undan. Or\u00f0i\u00f0 t\u00e1knar a\u00f0 \u00ed verkinu s\u00e9u \u00f3skilgreindir \u00fe\u00e6ttir sem \u00fearf a\u00f0 \u201erealisera\u201c fyrir flutning. Aldrei var \u00feetta or\u00f0 nota\u00f0 af \u00feessum m\u00f6nnum yfir verk \u00fear sem \u00e6tlast er til a\u00f0 flytjandinn taki \u00e1kvar\u00f0anir e\u00f0a spinni \u00ed raunt\u00edma. Eina undantekningin myndu vera leikjakerfi Christian Wolf.<\/p>\n<p>Aleatory, er or\u00f0 sem Boulez nota\u00f0i yfir verk sem hann ger\u00f0i \u00fear sem h\u00e6gt er a\u00f0 velja nokkra m\u00f6gulega b\u00fata, en \u00feeir eru l\u00edka valdir \u00e1\u00f0ur en a\u00f0 sj\u00e1lfum flutningnum kemur.<\/p>\n<p>T\u00f3nsm\u00ed\u00f0ar sem gera miki\u00f0 r\u00e1\u00f0 fyrir \u00e1kv\u00f6r\u00f0unum \u00ed raunt\u00edma ver\u00f0a svo seinni t\u00edma fyrirb\u00e6ri og er tengdara spunat\u00f3nlist og er meira skilt t.d. 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